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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 12:29 pm |
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A few months ago I saw a posting that had internet links to 2 places that did newspaper ads. Basically the places bought print classified ads in bulk in papers throughout the country and then were able to pass on a cost savings.
The posting was regarding selling product, as opposed to the business.
Can someone please point me to either the thread or post the web addresses to these advertising co-ops again? I thought I had bookmarked them, but naturally, can't find them. :o I tried searching the forum on what I thought were relavant keywords, but didn't have any luck.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21st, 2006 01:41 am |
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It's in this thread:
http://homebasedbusinessforums.com/forum3/33.html
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Posted: Tue Nov 21st, 2006 04:15 pm |
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jonroussel1
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Posted: Sun Jun 3rd, 2007 12:11 am |
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Does anyone know of some good resources for newspaper advertising for business opportunity seekers? I have tried some with mixed results. any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Hi Jon,
With all the emphasis on online marketing, most people are probably forgetting one of the most powerful means of advertising available.
I'm talking about classified advertising in newspapers. Most people are aware of what you have to do to place an ad in a daily or weekly newspaper, but did you know there are companies that will place your ad in literally hundreds of papers with circulation's in the millions for pennies per ad? Instead of paying the ridiculously high ad rates newspapers charge for a single classified, you can get that very same ad placed in hundreds of newspapers for pennies. Usually about $0.20-$0.30 per ad.
Another good thing is that many of these newspapers will accept business opportunity ads too. Below is a list of a few companies you can contact or visit their web sites and see the prices of their advertising packages. Think about it, one ad that draws a response rate of .05%, that's 1/2 of 1 percent, on a circulation of 4 million can bring in $10,000-$20,000 in a very short period of time. Your cost for this type of ad. About $250-$450. These companies also offer less expensive packages if you just want to test an ad. But this type of advertising works. You can post your URL in the ad and still sell from your website.
Maybe you've never given much thought to this type of advertising related to your online business. Maybe none of your programs ever discussed this with you. Maybe they just don't know about it. But now you have a very powerful means of getting your message out that can earn substantial profit on your investment.
Here are some fine companies you can contact to see what kind of advertising packages they offer.
Nationwide Classifieds
http://www.nationwideclassifieds.com/
Discount National Newspaper Advertising
http://www.advertisingresults.com/
You can also find great packages through state or regional press associations. Each state or region has press associations which consist of a group of newspapers. You can do a search at any search engine for 'press association' and find this information. Many will even help you with your ad.
[Note: personally I don't do bizop advertising with this...although I know some do and have had success. I've used it for products/services and it worked for me. For you....don't know. Likely vary by what you're offering and how well you target your market.]
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jonroussel1
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Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2007 10:57 pm |
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FreedomFire wrote: Hi Jon,
With all the emphasis on online marketing, most people are probably forgetting one of the most powerful means of advertising available.
I'm talking about classified advertising in newspapers. Most people are aware of what you have to do to place an ad in a daily or weekly newspaper, but did you know there are companies that will place your ad in literally hundreds of papers with circulation's in the millions for pennies per ad? Instead of paying the ridiculously high ad rates newspapers charge for a single classified, you can get that very same ad placed in hundreds of newspapers for pennies. Usually about $0.20-$0.30 per ad.
Another good thing is that many of these newspapers will accept business opportunity ads too. Below is a list of a few companies you can contact or visit their web sites and see the prices of their advertising packages. Think about it, one ad that draws a response rate of .05%, that's 1/2 of 1 percent, on a circulation of 4 million can bring in $10,000-$20,000 in a very short period of time. Your cost for this type of ad. About $250-$450. These companies also offer less expensive packages if you just want to test an ad. But this type of advertising works. You can post your URL in the ad and still sell from your website.
Maybe you've never given much thought to this type of advertising related to your online business. Maybe none of your programs ever discussed this with you. Maybe they just don't know about it. But now you have a very powerful means of getting your message out that can earn substantial profit on your investment.
Here are some fine companies you can contact to see what kind of advertising packages they offer.
Nationwide Classifieds
http://www.nationwideclassifieds.com/
Discount National Newspaper Advertising
http://www.advertisingresults.com/
You can also find great packages through state or regional press associations. Each state or region has press associations which consist of a group of newspapers. You can do a search at any search engine for 'press association' and find this information. Many will even help you with your ad.
[Note: personally I don't do bizop advertising with this...although I know some do and have had success. I've used it for products/services and it worked for me. For you....don't know. Likely vary by what you're offering and how well you target your market.]
God Bless,
Michael
Thank you Michael I have used Nationwide Classifieds and got preety good results Most of my advertising, like you, is online Jon
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Posted: Tue Jun 5th, 2007 07:32 pm |
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Its best to simply advertise in your local area. It will allow you to concentrate your efforts better, will save you tons of money, and will allow you to meet up with someone face to face to close the deal.
Your chances of closing a sell is better when its done face to face rather than over the phone or the internet.
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GREAT post, Michael! You nailed it. Everyone wants to advertise online but one of the simplest and most powerful things you can do is to just run a simple ad in a newspaper and list a tollfree number to screen the incoming calls.
Bravo, Michael!
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Its best to simply advertise in your local area. It will allow you to concentrate your efforts better, will save you tons of money, and will allow you to meet up with someone face to face to close the deal.
Your chances of closing a sell is better when its done face to face rather than over the phone or the internet. I'm going to disagree with this by offering an alternate perspective.
I don't think there's anything wrong with advertising locally. But, every top earner I know has a system in place that eliminates the need for them to do their own presentations. In other words, they're not sitting around in coffee shops and doing one-on-one presentations....they're using leverage. They're using things like confernece calls systems to do a SINGLE presentation to dozens or hundreds of people at once. (I hosted a call tonight with over 700 people in attendance.)
How does this relate to local versus long-distance newspaper advertising? When you advertise locally, there is a tendency on the part of the prospect to think that the can't make a decision unless they meet you face-to-face or get the business explained to them in person.
And that's just not required.
Last month I earned a multiple five-figure income in my business....I enrolled nine people personally....I assisted many of my team members in enrolling many of their own prospects....and I did it all with the telephone and the Internet. In fact, even the people I know locally who have gotten started in my business....I invited them to attend a conference call. I never once sat down and tried to do a presentation on my own. It's unnecessary.
So, my point is this: If you have a system in place that allows you to enroll people without having to personally do their presentation, use it. And by doing that, you will find that it's JUST as easy to enroll people every week from anywhere in the country, not just from your own home town.
Just my perspective,
Tony Rush
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Posted: Wed Jun 6th, 2007 05:13 pm |
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The advice I gave is based on the fact that most people starting out don't have the money nessesary to run a significant ad in multiple locations.
I feel local ads are more effective because the customer will feel more comfortable purchasing from you. You can get a 15 world blimp in 200 papers for about 300 dollars but a full page ad in a newspaper will still cost less and be much more effective.
My ideal is to start small and then build your way up to running national ads. But never discount the home team because they are more likely to stick with you in team building.
But if you have the money, then by all means go national. If not, a local exposure is called for
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The advice I gave is based on the fact that most people starting out don't have the money nessesary to run a significant ad in multiple locations. What's the cost difference in running one ad in their own local paper versus running that same ad in a newspaper in another state?
As for how much money a new associate has....I think that's far too broad of a comment to be accurate. Sure, some associates start broke...but others don't. In fact, the truth is that lack of money isn't going to stop someone who is serious about generating leads for their business. They'll just go find the money. It happens every day.
I learned a long time ago not to base my advice on what "most" people aren't willing to do. Most people aren't willing to do what creates success and it's not advisable that you take those people as your models for success.
I feel local ads are more effective because the customer will feel more comfortable purchasing from you. If that's your belief, that'll be true for you....and you would probably have trouble creating trust by phone.
On the other hand, if you're willing to adopt the belief that it's no more difficult to create trust by phone than it does in person...then you can enroll lots of people every month without having to run around and do meetings.
Let me ask this: is this more of a debate about whether someone should do phone presenations versus face-to-face presentations? Or do you really think that people are "more comfortable" just because you're in the same town?
My ideal is to start small and then build your way up to running national ads. But never discount the home team because they are more likely to stick with you in team building. I see no benefit in "starting small". Whether someone runs an ad in a local paper or another city....the mindset of a new Associate to play BIG and start making money as fast as they can.
There's nothing noble about saying "I'm starting small". Play big and you'll get big results.
Just my perspective,
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I did state that if the person had the funds nessesary to run ads nationally to go ahead but the vast majority of people sign up for a home based business opportunity because they DO HAVE LITTLE OR NO MONEY. Whenever I recruit an associate locally, I have the advantage of showing them how I do the business and what I do day to day which gives them more confidence that they'll be more successful. That's something the internet can never provide. Its like a mother hen, she stays on top of those eggs until they hatch and then protects them around until they are old enough to go out on their own
Just to let you know, my wealth was built on doing direct business and establishing relationships with customers and clients on a personal basis. You can do it by phone but there's noting like an good old fashioned sit-down to explain the business and a hearty handshake to close the deal. I still do the same things today although now I use a laptop and flash presentation rather than a flipchart.
I know what you do works because I'm familar with your work in EDC Gold, but I feel its not duplicatible to new folks and can be intimidating. However, I'm actually new to online marketing and am more a traditional network marketer. But that's what I like about discussion boards. Its good to learn from different perspectives other then your own
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TonyRush3 wrote: Its best to simply advertise in your local area. It will allow you to concentrate your efforts better, will save you tons of money, and will allow you to meet up with someone face to face to close the deal.
Your chances of closing a sell is better when its done face to face rather than over the phone or the internet. I'm going to disagree with this by offering an alternate perspective.
I don't think there's anything wrong with advertising locally. But, every top earner I know has a system in place that eliminates the need for them to do their own presentations. In other words, they're not sitting around in coffee shops and doing one-on-one presentations....they're using leverage. They're using things like confernece calls systems to do a SINGLE presentation to dozens or hundreds of people at once. (I hosted a call tonight with over 700 people in attendance.) This is an excellent post Tony. I too leverage my time and very rarely di my own presentations, isntead I use conferecne calls and webcasts. I want to demonstrate a dupliucable system that anyone can replicate. As far as local vs long distance newspaper advertising, to me it does not matter as long as I am attracting my target market.
How does this relate to local versus long-distance newspaper advertising? When you advertise locally, there is a tendency on the part of the prospect to think that the can't make a decision unless they meet you face-to-face or get the business explained to them in person.
And that's just not required.
Last month I earned a multiple five-figure income in my business....I enrolled nine people personally....I assisted many of my team members in enrolling many of their own prospects....and I did it all with the telephone and the Internet. In fact, even the people I know locally who have gotten started in my business....I invited them to attend a conference call. I never once sat down and tried to do a presentation on my own. It's unnecessary.
So, my point is this: If you have a system in place that allows you to enroll people without having to personally do their presentation, use it. And by doing that, you will find that it's JUST as easy to enroll people every week from anywhere in the country, not just from your own home town.
Just my perspective,
Tony Rush
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That's the problem I see these days, everyone wants to sit at home and buy leads off the internet and expect to make lots of money recruiting them in the business. If it was only that easy
An internet presence and advertising is warranted but you should have all elements at your disposal.
If you're building a house, you need a foundation and its best to have it in your local area. When you have that built, then build the house. There is no problem in starting small because most people who start a home business don't have much money.
Local advertising should be done first and foremost, national advertising should be done after you've established a solid foundation
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I did state that if the person had the funds nessesary to run ads nationally to go ahead but the vast majority of people sign up for a home based business opportunity because they DO HAVE LITTLE OR NO MONEY. I don't disagree. But, again, it doesn't take any more money to run an ad in your hometown than it does to run the same ad in Tallahassee, Florida. My point is that -- all other things being equal -- there's no logic in saying that your local paper is better or cheaper than a newspaper somewhere else. That's all.
Whenever I recruit an associate locally, I have the advantage of showing them how I do the business and what I do day to day which gives them more confidence that they'll be more successful. That's something the internet can never provide. Its like a mother hen, she stays on top of those eggs until they hatch and then protects them around until they are old enough to go out on their own . This reflects a personal philosophy that should probably be discussed in another thread. Suffice it to say that confidence is a CHOICE. And when people see a proven system in place, they can choose to have confidence in what they're doing.....even if that system does NOT involve having their hands held by a local sponsor.
Just to let you know, my wealth was built on doing direct business and establishing relationships with customers and clients on a personal basis. You can do it by phone but there's noting like an good old fashioned sit-down to explain the business and a hearty handshake to close the deal. I still do the same things today although now I use a laptop and flash presentation rather than a flipchart. That's the wonderful thing about this business: you can choose to work it any way you want to.
But, my own experience is that I have created a multiple six-figure income without having my business tied to my geography. I will make just as much money sitting at the Intercontinental in Sydney Australia later this month as I can sitting here in Dothan, Alabama. There's nothing about my business that can't be done with a cellphone and a laptop from anywhere in the world.
Plus, it's just more efficient. While you do a single presentation to one person.....I can use a conference call system to do a single presentation for 20. It's just a more leveraged way to work.
I know what you do works because I'm familar with your work in EDC Gold, but I feel its not duplicatible to new folks and can be intimidating. I'm not affiliated with EDCGold and have no idea how they work. I just know how what works for me and every other top earner in our company.
But you're right: It's all about choice. I just don't see many top earners spending their time on local one-on-one presentations when they can use their time more efficiently.
Tony Rush
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That's the problem I see these days, everyone wants to sit at home and buy leads off the internet and expect to make lots of money recruiting them in the business. If it was only that easy The word "easy" is subjective. Here's what I've learned: the people who tell you that making enrollments from purchased leads is "hard" or "difficult" are people who -- by virtue of that statement -- have experienced it as hard. It's best not to take these people as your advisors.
Quite simply: I have no interest in the opinion who says something is "hard' or cannot be done. They're usually interrupted by someone who's doing it. []
If you're building a house, you need a foundation and its best to have it in your local area. Again, that's a perfectly valid opinion. But it is an opinion. I was already a top earner in my company before I ever enrolled anyone within 200 miles of where I live.
There is no problem in starting small because most people who start a home business don't have much money. Oh, my! This is at least the third time you've affirmed this! If that's your market, that's okay. But, you seem to have a belief that only broke people are interested in working from home.
The last two enrollments I made (yesterday) were a chiropractor who's making six-figures and a salesman who's making $90k. The previous two were a housewife and a Walmart manager.
In other words, Melvin, home businesses appeal to a wide range of people regardless of age, income, education or race.
But, one thing is for sure: the law of attraction applies. If you believe the only people who want to join your business have no money....then you'll certainly never have a shortage of broke people to talk to.
Tony Rush
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TonyRush3 wrote: That's the problem I see these days, everyone wants to sit at home and buy leads off the internet and expect to make lots of money recruiting them in the business. If it was only that easy The word "easy" is subjective. Here's what I've learned: the people who tell you that making enrollments from purchased leads is "hard" or "difficult" are people who -- by virtue of that statement -- have experienced it as hard. It's best not to take these people as your advisors.
Quite simply: I have no interest in the opinion who says something is "hard' or cannot be done. They're usually interrupted by someone who's doing it. []
If you're building a house, you need a foundation and its best to have it in your local area. Again, that's a perfectly valid opinion. But it is an opinion. I was already a top earner in my company before I ever enrolled anyone within 200 miles of where I live.
There is no problem in starting small because most people who start a home business don't have much money. Oh, my! This is at least the third time you've affirmed this! If that's your market, that's okay. But, you seem to have a belief that only broke people are interested in working from home.
The last two enrollments I made (yesterday) were a chiropractor who's making six-figures and a salesman who's making $90k. The previous two were a housewife and a Walmart manager.
In other words, Melvin, home businesses appeal to a wide range of people regardless of age, income, education or race.
But, one thing is for sure: the law of attraction applies. If you believe the only people who want to join your business have no money....then you'll certainly never have a shortage of broke people to talk to.
Tony Rush
Local advertising should be done first and foremost, national advertising should be done after you've established a solid foundation
When I speak of broke people, I speak of that as being the vast majority of people wanting to get into a home based business. That's the way it is. Yes you will have people coming in with substantial income and I do recommend for them to consider national advertising. My whole argument for local advertising is for the majority of people starting a business which are broke people. And I've never believed in the law of attraction. I basically feel that every different walk of life will eventually find their way to you and I simply adapt to their needs and goals they wish to achieve. Its all random and its up to you to sort it out
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When I speak of broke people, I speak of that as being the vast majority of people wanting to get into a home based business. That's the way it is. Yes you will have people coming in with substantial income and I do recommend for them to consider national advertising. We're going in circles. But the question still remains: even if you DO enroll someone with a limited budget.....the fact is that an ad in a newspaper 1,000 miles away doesn't cost any more than an ad in your local paper. Period.
So, what does the size of someone's available budget have to do with where they advertise? It seems to me that you're trying to make an argument for one-on-one presentations instead of local advertising.
The second thing that comes to mind is that -- if someone is genuinely broke and cannot afford to run an ad in a newspaper (whether local or far away)....then they have no business looking at becoming a business owner. Network marketing is not a hobby. So, if a person doesn't have money -- or isn't willing to go get some -- then they should probably be looking at a job. Not starting a business.
My whole argument for local advertising is for the majority of people starting a business which are broke people. See above.
And I've never believed in the law of attraction. As with any law, ignorance of the law will not keep from the consequences of that law. Whether you believe in the law of attraction or not, you're already using it. You're just not doing it deliberately.
Again, that's a topic for another discussion. But, suffice it to say that your experience that "most people looking for a home business are broke" is an EXACT MATCH to your belief that is how things are.
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TonyRush3 wrote: When I speak of broke people, I speak of that as being the vast majority of people wanting to get into a home based business. That's the way it is. Yes you will have people coming in with substantial income and I do recommend for them to consider national advertising. We're going in circles. But the question still remains: even if you DO enroll someone with a limited budget.....the fact is that an ad in a newspaper 1,000 miles away doesn't cost any more than an ad in your local paper. Period.
So, what does the size of someone's available budget have to do with where they advertise? It seems to me that you're trying to make an argument for one-on-one presentations instead of local advertising.
The second thing that comes to mind is that -- if someone is genuinely broke and cannot afford to run an ad in a newspaper (whether local or far away)....then they have no business looking at becoming a business owner. Network marketing is not a hobby. So, if a person doesn't have money -- or isn't willing to go get some -- then they should probably be looking at a job. Not starting a business. You are right and we are going in circles on this which doesn't surprise me as we both use conflicting methods for building businesses. A person's budget does make a huge difference as a person who has a large budget can run a more effective local or even a national ad than a person who doesn't. And you my friend are absolutely incorrect on the comment "if they don't have enough money then they need to go get a job." That's not the way I look at my associates and I will never push aside anyone because of that. I've been successful with people who were on welfare and food stamps, folks that have thousands of dollars in debt or bankrupt, and elderly folks who live on social security. Perhaps your wealth has blinded your judgement but even with all the money I've made over the years in network marketing, I've never forgotten about "the little people". Desire is the only thing needed from someone who wishes to achieve their goals, not income. If they have that, then they can call me up and get started and I would help them out.
My whole argument for local advertising is for the majority of people starting a business which are broke people. See above.
And I've never believed in the law of attraction. As with any law, ignorance of the law will not keep from the consequences of that law. Whether you believe in the law of attraction or not, you're already using it. You're just not doing it deliberately.
Again, that's a topic for another discussion. But, suffice it to say that your experience that "most people looking for a home business are broke" is an EXACT MATCH to your belief that is how things are.
Later,
Tony Rush I follow the law of reality. What happens is by the will of God and that is not something anyone can control. And the reason I say that most people looking for a home business is broke is because there is a lot more poor people in the world than rich people. The people who seek to make money are those who NEED MONEY. Later Melvin Goodrum
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